Comments on: E-mail scams and out-of-band article notices http://leuksman.com/log/2009/01/29/e-mail-scams-and-out-of-band-article-notices/ reticula, electronica, & oddities Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:34:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: domas http://leuksman.com/log/2009/01/29/e-mail-scams-and-out-of-band-article-notices/comment-page-1/#comment-25715 domas Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:15:23 +0000 http://leuksman.com/log/?p=431#comment-25715 brion, thats what templates are for :-) brion, thats what templates are for :-)

]]> By: quiddity http://leuksman.com/log/2009/01/29/e-mail-scams-and-out-of-band-article-notices/comment-page-1/#comment-24040 quiddity Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:25:17 +0000 http://leuksman.com/log/?p=431#comment-24040 1) All of the usual page-top templates ([[template:ambox]] and variants) are using css class="metadata" which means they don't get printed or exported. (see [[MediaWiki:Print.css]] for that), so that aspect should not be a problem. However I have no suggestions on how to avoid displaying it to the people who didn't arrive at an article because of a spam link.. 2) Magnus' "less edit clutter.js" http://www.magnusmanske.de/wikipedia/less_page_clutter.png was first mentioned here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.english/91785 (your blog's comment form has no preview, so hopefully those words and links work/appear correctly ;) 1) All of the usual page-top templates (template:ambox and variants) are using css class=”metadata” which means they don’t get printed or exported. (see MediaWiki:Print.css for that), so that aspect should not be a problem. However I have no suggestions on how to avoid displaying it to the people who didn’t arrive at an article because of a spam link..

2) Magnus’ “less edit clutter.js” http://www.magnusmanske.de/wikipedia/less_page_clutter.png
was first mentioned here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.english/91785

(your blog’s comment form has no preview, so hopefully those words and links work/appear correctly ;)

]]> By: brion http://leuksman.com/log/2009/01/29/e-mail-scams-and-out-of-band-article-notices/comment-page-1/#comment-23573 brion Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:58:03 +0000 http://leuksman.com/log/?p=431#comment-23573 NotACat -- that's an idea with some promise. Long ago we also played a bit with breaking out "metadata" (categories, interlanguage links) to a separate edit box, but still keeping them in the actual core article text internally... that never really took off though I think it's still available in the software. Just seemed a little squirrelly and fragile. Breaking meta-information out more firmly could have some benefits though. Waldir -- Referers are a tricky question... if you're clicking from your regular email program you probably won't have a referrer at all -- or if you just type the URL in directly. If you came from a webmail reader, you may or may not have a clear referrer... what do gmail/yahoo/hotmail/etc tend to do with links these days? Are they linking direct or using redirectors to sanitize the referrer? (You don't want to be revealing session info etc when you link out...) But if you're linking around within the wiki, you'll have something specifically recognizable, so that's a case where we could easily discard a "you came from outside" notice... NotACat — that’s an idea with some promise. Long ago we also played a bit with breaking out “metadata” (categories, interlanguage links) to a separate edit box, but still keeping them in the actual core article text internally… that never really took off though I think it’s still available in the software. Just seemed a little squirrelly and fragile. Breaking meta-information out more firmly could have some benefits though.

Waldir — Referers are a tricky question… if you’re clicking from your regular email program you probably won’t have a referrer at all — or if you just type the URL in directly.

If you came from a webmail reader, you may or may not have a clear referrer… what do gmail/yahoo/hotmail/etc tend to do with links these days? Are they linking direct or using redirectors to sanitize the referrer? (You don’t want to be revealing session info etc when you link out…)

But if you’re linking around within the wiki, you’ll have something specifically recognizable, so that’s a case where we could easily discard a “you came from outside” notice…

]]> By: Waldir http://leuksman.com/log/2009/01/29/e-mail-scams-and-out-of-band-article-notices/comment-page-1/#comment-23561 Waldir Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:08:20 +0000 http://leuksman.com/log/?p=431#comment-23561 *the use of the http referer *the use of the http referer

]]> By: Waldir http://leuksman.com/log/2009/01/29/e-mail-scams-and-out-of-band-article-notices/comment-page-1/#comment-23560 Waldir Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:07:37 +0000 http://leuksman.com/log/?p=431#comment-23560 Could the use the http referer be a possibility? it would still annoy people coming to these articles from legitimate emails, and it would only cover a handful of webmail providers (which cover close to 100% of people anyway), but I guess it would be better than showing the notice on every page. Could the use the http referer be a possibility? it would still annoy people coming to these articles from legitimate emails, and it would only cover a handful of webmail providers (which cover close to 100% of people anyway), but I guess it would be better than showing the notice on every page.

]]> By: NotACat http://leuksman.com/log/2009/01/29/e-mail-scams-and-out-of-band-article-notices/comment-page-1/#comment-23539 NotACat Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:16:58 +0000 http://leuksman.com/log/?p=431#comment-23539 If you can display the site-notice on every page, is it possible to display something extra with the page-dependent notices you want? Could you trigger off something on the talk-page? I've been thinking for a while that the content/talkpage duo should be expanded to a trio: content/description/discussion. That would allow for something to be entered on the "description" page which could trigger the display of something on the "content" page: something like the "featured article" status or whatever. Obviously I'm thinking on the hoof here, am I making any sense? If you can display the site-notice on every page, is it possible to display something extra with the page-dependent notices you want? Could you trigger off something on the talk-page?

I’ve been thinking for a while that the content/talkpage duo should be expanded to a trio: content/description/discussion. That would allow for something to be entered on the “description” page which could trigger the display of something on the “content” page: something like the “featured article” status or whatever.

Obviously I’m thinking on the hoof here, am I making any sense?

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